Tuesday, May 20, 2008

I am Not a Communist.

I am also not a fascist.
I am also not a Stalinist.

I just want everyone to know that. I'm a member of the Democratic party.

That is all.


Blogger Jim said...

this then begs the question- what's the difference between someone that fully supports the ideology of the democratic party and a fascist and/or socialist? I'm not sure that communist would fit any democrat (although it seems an easy stretch for so called moderate republicans)

7:59 AM  
Blogger Interrobang said...

Which particular drugs are you on, jim? What's the difference between a socialist and a fascist and a member of the Democratic party?

Well, for one thing, socialists are generally left-wingers directly inspired by the works of writers like Marx, Engels, and Trotsky. They generally believe in a strong central government with an intense interest in social welfare and regulating the means of production and commerce.

Fascists are right-wingers. They are distinguished from other movements on the right by a vigourous promotion of national rebirth, nationalism, natalism, institutionalised misogyny, and a strong capitalist market that suppresses workers' rights in favour of the power of capital. Benito Mussolini described classical fascism as "the merger of state and corporate power," and said it should rightly be called Corporatism.

The difference between a communist (left-authoritarian) and fascist (right-authoritarian) state is that in the former case, the people's representatives control the means of production and commerce; in the latter case, the government and the robber baron class are the same people.

Democrats aren't even close. They can't figure out whether they want to be a centre-right party or not.

8:16 PM  
Blogger Steaming Pile said...

What interrobang said. Claims from the GOP about Democratic Candidate X being "the most liberal member of whatever legislative body of which he or she currently is a member" aside, the Democrats are, on average, smack in the middle, which makes them look like raving leftist loons compared to GOPers. It kind of makes you lose perspective when looking at it like that.

I'm glad no one here has yet used the word "conservative," since it rarely applies to those who claim to uphold such values. Starting wars for no good reason isn't particularly conservative, in my view. Neither are experiments in supply-side economics. If anyone deserves to be called conservative, it would be those who make up the Democratic Party's centrist wing. Think about it - there is no more conservative ground out there than the middle of the road.

10:57 AM  
Blogger kelley b. said...

Frankly, Spocko, I have good information that you in fact are a ringleader of the Democratic Romulan Resistance Front.

Your days as masquerading as s simple Vulcan Diplomat are over!

7:10 PM  
Blogger Dave Trowbridge said...

"Begs the question" does NOT mean "demands that the question be asked." It refers to a particular kind of logical fallacy, in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises.


And besides that, it's hardly a reasonable question, as interrobang demonstrates.

9:46 PM  
Blogger Kevin Hayden said...

I'm a Democrat, too. I'm not ashamed to have sex, but I'm ashamed to admit I know some Republicans.

4:39 AM  
Blogger shrimplate said...

"Conservative Republican" is what the cool kids use as a slang term for something really big and green that comes out the front end of a horse.

Or maybe the back end. Whatever.

3:18 PM  
Blogger shrimplate said...

And "communist" is just college slang for somebody who listens to their parents' old vinyl records by The Cure.

3:21 PM  
Blogger Freewayblogger said...

I'm sick and tired of these demo-facist molly-coddling socialist fire departments! I believe if you're having a fire you have the right to shop around...

6:11 PM  
Blogger Jim said...

dave trowbridge:
""Begs the question" does NOT mean "demands that the question be asked." It refers to a particular kind of logical fallacy, in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises. "

Implicit in the OP is the idea that fascism and socialism are not ideas held by democrats. Generally "begs the question" is an indicator of a logical fallacy of circular reasoning. However in this case the question is of the implicit assertion that there are in fact differences, without any assertion (although an implication) that there are no differences.

Interobang, mussolini is not at all right wing. Consider this, what's the difference in the economics of a fascists and socialist system. The answer is- not much. It is popular these days to equate fascism as “right wing” but unfortunately, most people are just uninformed. Mussolini’s Fascism differed from Hitlers in that it focused on rabid Nationalism while Hitlers focused on Racism, but here's a definition from American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957 edition where fascism is defined as

"A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)"

The fascism of Mussolini did not promote private property, and neither does Socialism

The fascism of Mussolini was not about Capitalism.

The fascism of Mussolini did include government control of industry as does Socialism.

Fascism is a collectivist, statist system where the motto was “Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato,” “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State”.

For more details about mussolini I recommend Italian Fascism and developmental dictatorship
A.J.Gregor (1979)
Princeton, N.J.: Univ. Press.

9:29 PM  

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