Monday, April 21, 2008

Torture is the New Black

Experts! Get cha' Torture EXPERTS here!

Three years ago this week I saw Mark Danner, author of Torture and Truth, speak in San Francisco. At the time I posed a question about torture in the same fashion that it is often framed on talk radio. I used the ticking bomb scenario. The, "What if it was YOUR Daughter?" line. His answers were interesting. He points out how weak these arguments really are.

We have allowed uninformed people define what torture is based on their twisted ideas of what really happens and what is happening. And our government have covered up and hidden our torture using FEAR and appeals to national security (which conveniently they don't have to tell us about.)

The most bizarre thing to me is how someone who considers himself as a Christian can approve of torture.


Lot of interesting posts about torture over at Hullabaloo, tristero's post entitled Torture Is Always Immoral worth reading.

The post that I really thought was powerful is Waterboarding is Torture...Period by Malcolm Nance


Blogger Grung_e_Gene said...

It's madness. After years of denying the use of torture at some point the Bush regime became convinced they could admit they've tortured and lied about it. Boldly.

What if it was your son?

This question should have been posed to Kit Bond when he laughingly referred to Water Torture as swimming (the backstroke or freestyle). Would Kit have just shurged his shoulders and said "oh well" if his son had been captured and water boarded. Or (and this is much more likely) would he have denounced the inhumane tactics of our cowardly, non-righteous enemies!

11:04 PM  
Blogger Rich said...

How many times do you have to be told:


Enhanced interrogation is not punishment, it's just a conversation. Just don't use any of them red letters from the Bible.

9:28 AM  
Blogger Rich said...

great article

Under U.S. Law Torture is Always Illegal

12:12 AM  
Blogger Metro said...

One of the few arguments that I find appealing in favour of religion: If there's a hell, it's just possible that Dubya and minions will spend a considerable amount of time there, beginning to understand things from their victims' point of view.

Of course, I don't believe there is, and I'm leery of asking for justice when I'm fairly sure that atheism is a sin according to somebody ...

As to the torture question: Michael Scheuer ran the Bin Laden desk at the CIA for years. Here's his take.

How come the experts, the professionals, and the people who've actually fought wars (John McAncient was against torture before he was for it) all say it's a friggin' bad idea, but the Jack Bauer wank-fantasists who sat out Viet Nam on deferments and National Guard service exemptions think it's a grand idea?

12:04 PM  

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