Sunday, April 29, 2007

A Marine Who's A Mom Talks back to Moronic War Supporters

It you haven’t been shot at in that f__king hell hole, SHUT THE F__K UP!

How do I dare say this to you moronic war supporters who are “Supporting our Troops” and waving the flag and all that happy horse sh_t? I’ll tell you why. I’m a Marine and I served my tour in Iraq. My husband, also a Marine, served several. I left the service six months ago because I got pregnant while he was home on leave and three days ago I get a visit from two men in uniform who hand me a letter and tell me my husband died in that f__king festering sand-pit. He should have been home a month ago but they extended his tour and now he’s coming home in a box.

You f__kers and that god-damn lying sack of sh_t they call a president are the reason my husband will never see his baby and my kid will never meet his dad.

best of craigslist > s.f. bayarea > From an Angry Soldier
Originally Posted: Tue, 10 Apr 13:00 PDT
PostingID: 309485032
Read the original at best of Craigslist

Spotted this letter at Gentilly Girl, (hi Morwan!) via The Katrinacrat who picked up original from San Francisco's Craigslist

This woman probably better not identify herself or she will be a target for attack by the right-wing talk radio. Why? Because she used bad language! Since she is still a Marine she isn't officially supposed to say bad things to the media, I think there is some kind of order about that (there is a reason that only retired generals speak out strongly against the war and the Commander in Chief). But really, read the whole thing (link).

Maybe this Marine mom will be the fun new target for people who feel that they can attack Cindy Sheehan because she is just a mom of a dead solider and didn't serve herself ("But, but, Casey chose to go! She is dishonoring his memory!").

Considering how strong this Marine, wife and mother's language is, maybe she won't be able to talk on commercially-supported broadcast radio, where we have decades old, agreed upon rules that limit what people can say. Does that limit their ability to attack her? No. But it does limit her ability to swear at the obscenity of this war from a position of real authority.

The next time I hear some pearl clutchers bitching about what dirty mouths the bloggers have, as compared to the "polite" talk radio hosts who joke about the death of millions, I'll send them this letter. I don't always redact swear words, but I did so here for effect. This is a case where I want people to see the context, and if they choose, read the rest.

BTW, even if the radio hosts DO say swear words, they have a seven second delay to catch it. But I ask you, which is more obscene, what happened to this woman or the people who will attack her for calling out the moronic war supporters?


Donnie McDaniel said...

Thanks for passing it on Spocko!

The Katrinacrat

4:44 PM  
Frknnutz said...

I am a retired veteran of the first gulf war, Bosnia, and Somalia. All soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen in the military today are volunteers. It is our job and calling. I offer my deep condolences to all fallen warriors that have given their life for this country. We as a country will continue to fight wars and parents will continue to watch there sons and daughters march off to war knowing full well the dangers ahead and that they may not return home to them.
I will say this once to the Marine Mom:
You volunteered. You were not drafted. You know what your obligation as a warrior was and you swore an oath. You did the right thing by not reenlisting.
My only question to you is while you were in the military, did you not know you may someday get put in harms way?

8:16 PM  
Mike said...

Well, there was the assumption that there would be a modicum of honor at the leadership level. A soldier surrenders the right to decide in exchange for the promise of leadership that makes those decisions honorably. A soldier gives his or her life on the assumption that it will be used for something worthy.

It may be that there is something worth fighting for in Iraq, but as yet, the cause has not been disclosed. There have been several marketting trial balloons floated, but while a few (the WMD joke, the the beyond Clintonesque definition of "relationship" to include Saddam's telling Al Quaeda to get the hell out of his country) have had some initial market effect, none have passed the tests of time or factuality. And none have come close to what could be described as "honorable".

Soldiers are fighting with honor. For their comrades in arms, to fulfill their oaths. But those reasons are reasons for one man or one woman to go, not reasons to send anyone anywhere. Not reasons for those in charge to play lawyer games that extend tours of duty far beyond the comittment that the solders were led to beleive they were making.

Frknnutz, I notice that you (or the character you play on the Internet) are a veteran of some wars that were started by foreign agression and ended by competent American administrations. Wars where soldiers served the tour of duty they were led to expect. That is a rather more satisfying experience than this one. And you apparently made it home alive, which is nice, too.

9:37 PM  
LANCE said...

Mike, I see you suspect that I may not be who or what I claim to be. I served in tactical combat units for 20 years. I would say that qualifies my opinion. Counter insurgency operations are the most dangerous operations you can engage in. All of the smart bombs in the world will not win a war. It takes soldiers on the ground to ensure we can cut out the cancer without killing the patient.

We are in Iraq because it is strategically and tactically correct: We are in the middle of the middle east and can strike quickly to keep the enemy's command and control fractured and in disarray. It takes quite a long time to deploy a force as was witnessed by desert storm. If we pulled out of Iraq, we would be back within a couple of years after the next 9/11 or worse takes place and America finally wakes up to the threat. It seems the prevailing sentiment is one of reflection on what we did to upset these poor terrorists and what can we do to make up for it in hopes that if we say "pretty please", maybe they won't attack us again.

Remember who our enemy is and what they have done: They are fighting a holy war with us and are eager to be martyrs.

Here is an example of what they feel justifies their holy war:

Surah 8:39 “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

Surah 9:5 “Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free.“

Surah 9:29 “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.“

So much for the religion of peace.

Ok. So you may be thinking that not all muslims feel this way. I would agree that most do not. At the same time there is nothing but silence comming from Islamic leaders here in the US and abroad. We here a token statement every now and then.

I stay in contact with some of my soldiers who are now senior leaders in Iraq and they tell me what I already suspect: Every time our congress and media question our presence in Iraq and states we are "losing the war", it erodes the moral of our forces while strengthening the resolve of our enemy. The best thing we can do as a nation would be to quit politicizing the war and let the battlefield commanders fight this war. It does not matter what side of the issue you are on. The only thing that matters is that we are there and we will win. Every American has a duty to support our country in time of war. If errors are made by our leadership, it still does not change the fact that we are now committed and must win this war to ensure the security of our nation. Hold them accountable after we win.

I fully support freedom of speech. But you should always consider the consequences of what you say and the influence it has on our troops that are in harms way. Cindy Sheehan is an excellent example of this ignorance.

By the way, if you are calling me out on my status as a retired vet, my email address is I would be happy to send you a copy of my DD214. It will list all my deployments and the tactical units I deployed with.

11:38 PM  
LANCE said...

"...A soldier surrenders the right to decide in exchange for the promise of leadership that makes those decisions honorably. A soldier gives his or her life on the assumption that it will be used for something worthy."

Interesting thought. Let me kindly retort: We would never get off of our asses in time to react if we did not trust the leadership we elected. In EVERY war we have fought, there have been those that suspect the honorable intentions of our leadership. History will tell in the end and bear out the truth. If we had not fought this war now, we would have been just putting off the inevitable to a later time.

Regarding your comment on extended tours of duty beyond their commitments, there is one cure for that and that is the draft.

12:07 AM  
LANCE said...

Mike said: "... And you apparently made it home alive, which is nice, too."

Listen moron, I would be there right now if they would let me. Shortly after 9/11 happened I contacted the DOD and volunteered to come off of retired status. This is still true today.

Satisfying experience? You better read up on Somalia and educate yourself before spouting utter BS. Nothing satisfying about it. I hate UN missions. Somalia was a failure. Do you know why? I just can't wait to hear your assessment of this one!

I have got to ask you Mike: Were you ever in the military? Judging from your comments I highly doubt it. If you were not in the military, how the hell do you qualify your BS?

Am I supposed to feel guilty about not having died in combat? I count my blessings and pray for those that are currently deployed.

12:41 AM  

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