Thursday, April 20, 2006

Note to Melanie Morgan and Sharon Brown, "Your buddy Malkin started the private phone posting!"

So I'm listening to Melanie Morgan waiting for her to apologize for her comments about the LA Times photographs and I hear her whining about students posting the personal information of her good friend Michelle Malkin and how she was threatened with death after it was posted. What did Morgan and Sharon Brown TOTALLY forget to mention? That MALKIN was the first to post the phone numbers of the students who protested the military recruiting at UC Berkeley Santa Cruz. (If you want to read the back story on this check out this post at Daily Kos by georgia10.)

So I suppose I could go into the kid's argument of "She started it!" but I won't. What I will say is that:

1) Morgan and Brown aren't' telling listeners the whole story, no surprise there

2) If Morgan thinks that the students should have "consequences" for what they did, do you think that there should be "consequences" for Malkin for her posting?

3) Death treats are wrong. Period. And if anyone is getting death threats on either side of the aisle we should track them down and charge them according to the various state laws.

Everyone knows that you don't make death treats against the President or you will get a call from the Secret Service. Maybe a few people need to get a visit from their state's equivalent service.

I wonder what the ratio of death threats is from the left vs. the right? Considering that the rabid right loves their machine guns so much, I would be more worried about their following through on their threats. But maybe not. Maybe they are just misunderstood peace-loving people treatening others with death. Of course I haven't seen Malkin's death treats, but here are a few that the students got from Malkin's readers.

[BTW, I don't normally use profanity on this site. Three of my 19 readers are under 18 and I like to keep this clean most of the time. Also, I'm not a commercially supported broadcast radio station with a licence granted to me by the state in exchange for access to the airwares, so I can print obscene language if I so choose. I usually chose not to. But in this case I think it is good to show the foulness of the people that sent death threats to the students. Are these the "consequences" that Morgan wanted them to have? ]

These are from UCSC Student's Against the War's website.

From: Wayne
Subject: shame on you
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:30:26 -0400

You will pay for your seditious activities. It is only a matter of
time...We are retired military snipers & we are watching you...

From: Hermy Flenagin
Subject: Military
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:24:54 -0700 (PDT)

Girls (and other assorted shitdicks),

My sincere hope is that a couple hundred of the local patriots take a
day off work for your next anarchist event, and come down to your
little shithole with some axe handles and bust your fucking heads.

Short of that, I certainly hope the Feds stop sending money to your
dicklicking junior college.

From: Peter Peanut
Subject: I hope...
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:38:44 -0700 (PDT) a fine young American very, very soon puts his shiny gun barrel
up to your left temple and pulls the trigger. Now THAT will make
America a much, much better place to live for the rest of us, you
utterly disgusting piece of shit...

"Hearing a Western woman talk about how she might want to become a
Muslim is like hearing black Americans talk about how they might want
to become slaves."

From: "Tom Ault"
Subject: outrage!
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:19:52 -0400

You intolerant left wing socialist fucking cock-suckers. We're coming
to get you and when we do we'll hurt you..REAL BAD!


From: Christopher Boylan
Subject: Go fuck yourself
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:50:35 -0400
Fucking pansy douchebag, you're lucky one of those recruiters didn't
put his foot up your silly little ass. Get cancer, you traitorous shit
breath cocksucker.


From: primus1
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:20:39 +0200


From: "Victor M. Sanchez, Jr."
Subject: Useful Idiots
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:04 -0500

You 3 are a bunch of useful idiots. Instead of marching around with
your silly Peacenik slogans you should either pick up a weapon and
defend this country from Islamofascists or just Shut The F*** Up. Or
just get back to class...idealistic, wet-behind the ears ingrates.

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UCSC Students
Submitted by Anticonservafascist on Wed, 04/19/2006 - 10:29am.
Why not you brave folks just press charges against Michelle Malkin and her fascist pals for these death threats? Here's the information:

California Penal Code section 422: THREATS
Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety . . .

California Penal Code section 182, conspiracy defined:

(a) If two or more persons conspire:

(1) To commit any crime.

Each member of the conspiracy is liable for the acts of any of the others in carrying out the common purpose, i.e., all acts within the reasonable and probable consequences of the common unlawful design. People v. Kauffman 152 C. 331, 335 (1907).

For the sake of America, please press charges against Michelle Malkin and her fascist pals. You have the hard evidences on your hands... go get them.

Now here is the Morgan/Brown Audio link (Windows Audio 46 seconds)


themole said...

Regarding how this all started, Michelle Malkin went to a cached page, took a screenshot, and posted the image on her site because didn't like the politics of the people. It's not her place to justify the disclosing of this information because she deemed that they were terrorizing people. That's an issue for the Santa Cruz police department to deal with, not her own brand of vigilante justice.

As for her own personal details - Malkin included that on her own e-mail list and that's how it went public. She launched her personal information about herself BY herself.

And the anti-racist One People's Project website promptly released her new details.

Someone took it a step further and used and yahoo maps to do a Graphic.

Payback's a bitch eh' Malkin?

Her refusal to remove these kids contact information was not from conviction, but from revenue. Every journalist in the world knows that contact information on a press release is for journalists to call for more information or interviews, not to be published (or even pointed out) in the publication itself. If she were any kind of ethical person she would have pulled the information when asked.

If she were something resembling a human being with "feelings", she would not have republished the information once the students themselves removed it. Michelle is a vicious, vindictive, venomous egoist with no discernible ethics nor even a shred of human decency. If she wants to be The Minority Woman Who Believes Minorities and Women Suck, that's her right. But she should at least have the integrity to acknowledge that she has done wrong and to stop compounding the wrong. And she should not give us that disingenuous crap about how she doesn't condone death threats and nobody should misuse her posting and reposting of personal information.

1:22 PM  
spocko said...

Nicely said. Thanks for more detailed info!

1:28 PM  
Mike W. said...

Your novel legal theory about conspiracy would almost certainly fail. In order to "conspire" per the California statute, one must form an actual agreement with another person or persons with the specific intent to commit an illegal act.

It's almost impossible to prove a conspiracy exists without one of the conspirators testifying against the others, or interception of a communication reflecting an actual agreement or common purpose.

It doesn't look like any of these things exist.

In any event, publication of information contained in a press release, like in this case, is right in the heart of First Amendment protection. I'm surprised you've glossed over that fact.

3:31 PM  
spocko said...

Mike W. thanks for posting. That info on conspiracy theory came from the UCSC website, it was the first post, by Anticonservafascist on Wed, 04/19/2006 - 10:29am.

Sorry if that wasn't clear on my blog.

And regarding the public information, I didn't gloss over it.I didn't mention it all all, that is why I linked to the georgia10 post for context and more backstory. It is always hard to know how redundant to be with readers who may or may not be following the story.

There are lots of parts of this story that people need to be aware of including where the information was obtained in the first place.
Of course then there is the whole issue of Malkin's information, was THAT legally obtained? Maybe it was. Maybe it was public information too.
In other forums people have discussed lots of these issues including the whole "who has the bigger microphone and the crazier readers" issue.

Morgan didn't offer the equivalent of a link she could have posted to explain the back story. So to listeners it was just "Those damn students, making death treats on my good friend Malkin!"

And for me the issue I'm more interested in is death treats. I think that they are wrong. We as a society say that they are wrong and have put into place guidelines and rules on what to do if they happen.

Strong words on either side are one thing. Threatening to kill someone is something else all together.

And finally, it is also about Morgan making herself and her good friends as victims, without ever acknowledging their own proactive role in a controversy.

3:48 PM  
FastMovingCloud said...

What a nice group of young people. Damn, they are a hateful bunch. I think their time would be better served in the GWOT or, as dear leader put it the GWOFIPTWTHA, or whatever the hell he said.
By the way, you may want to update your header. You have fifteen readers now. Sweeping the nation, you are!

5:58 AM  
spocko said...

Yep. Maybe I should do a comparison of allegedly left death treats to allegedly right death treats. Why? I sometimes wonder if the people on the right send death treats to people like Malkin just to embarrass the people on the left.
I wonder if I could assist the police and do some searches for these people .

Thanks for visiting. You are most welcome to visit and comment any time. I have my own obsessions like Holden. Occasionally I rant like Atheane, but I'm not the world class writer she is. You think she is good online? You should hear her in person! She is even more fun.
I'll up date my header you are actually reader number 20!
Yea ha! (I only count the people who post and as to be considered readers. I don't trust my stats, too many google/yahoo/msn bots to trust.

10:40 AM  
PTCruiser said...

I called Malkin's number but all I got was her voice-mail, which then told me I couldn't leave a message. Must be because the system is overloaded. Hee hee.

Thank you themole for the links to that. I love the overhead shot of her house in that lovely, quiet Maryland suburb.

And thank you Spocko for posting on this. What a shock that Melanie Morgan and Michelle Malkin are buddies, huh? Do these morons all have memberships at the same hate clubs, or what?

2:31 PM  
Lily said...

((shudder)) Disturbing. I think these people contrive their antics. Malkin Shmalkin.

7:48 PM  

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